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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by v.Eremin » May 31, 2016 7:15 am 1 person likes this post

It's possible and supported to leverage Windows Server 2012 R2 dedupe volume as a primary backup target. The performance of jobs involving transformation activity (forward forever, reversed incremental modes, etc.) will be affected. The restoration might be slower as well due to data rehydration.

Windows Server 2012 R2 deduplication has been discussed already; might be worth reviewing the best practices.

Thanks.

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by albertwt » May 31, 2016 7:19 am

Cool 8) I never knew that it is possible to reduce the disk space usage from those VBK and VBR files using Win2012 R2 dedupe feature.

I'll study that link,

Thanks for the explanation.
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[MERGED] NAS recommendation - Backup copy job offsite

Post by lornaschmidt » Jul 07, 2016 12:35 pm

Hi,

We would like to create a backup copy job across our WAN offsite and wonder if there is a recommendation for a reasonably priced NAS that works comfortably with Veeam.

We have a Buffalo TS-XL which is proving problematic so wouldn't want to deploy it offsite and, before spending any more money, just wondered if anyone has specific NAS recommendations.

Thank you

Lorna

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Re: NAS recommendation - Backup copy job offsite

Post by jazzoberoi » Jul 07, 2016 2:32 pm 1 person likes this post

HPE StoreOnce (either HW appliance or VSA) with 'Catalyst' ?

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Re: NAS recommendation - Backup copy job offsite

Post by Pat490 » Jul 08, 2016 8:52 am 1 person likes this post

we use Qnap NAS systems exactly for that backup copy job purpose offsite. No problems so far!
Sure this is not first production backup storage repository.

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[MERGED] Storage recommendations

Post by igarcia1 » Aug 31, 2016 3:35 pm

We're going to be refreshing our storage solutions, starting with backups. We are currently using a single tier, single controller Compellent array to store backups and the plan is to merge that into our production Compellent array once we have a replacement backup system in place. Wish I could say there was a budget, but that's a long story. Short version: we have 288TB (raw), no compression or dedup beyond what Veeam provides, and spend about 0.64 per usable GB and would like to find something better.

The IT Director and I like Exagrid on paper, and I have no clue what Dell will push (I get the impression the DR4100 is going away.) I'm sure most of you have been through this already, so I hope I can save some time by getting a few recommendations on what works the best with Veeam, or some advice on what vendors or setups to avoid. I'd rather initiate contact with as few sales folks as possible. I've already heard from one vendor (who happens to be Veeam certified) and of course their advice leans heavily toward their own product. Appreciate anything you can offer.

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by igarcia1 » Aug 31, 2016 7:27 pm

Knew there had to be something already here, just didn't search right. Awesome collection of information. Thanks mods.

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by NightBird » Aug 31, 2016 7:53 pm

HPE Apollo 4510 or Cisco UCS C3160 should be a good choice for 288TB raw

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by bg.ranken » Sep 01, 2016 5:22 pm

I second both of these. Though if you don't want to go as big as the 4510 you could get two Apollo 4200 units instead. It might be alittle cheaper but not by much since 80% of the cost is going to be disks but you'll end up with almost the same storage (each 4200 can hold 28 LFF disks, so 56 disks total compared to the 68 LFF disks of the 4510). You'd also have less processing power I believe, since you'd only have two proxies and the 4510 has 3 nodes I believe which gives you three.

Also remember you'd be able to replace your backup servers as well with any of these devices which should be a plus.

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by cjack03 » Sep 05, 2016 3:09 pm 1 person likes this post

We are in the process of moving our veeam backups off a 3par 7200 with 10K and 7.2K spinning disks in our DR site to one Supermicro SC847 4U chassis with 36 x 6TB 7.2K disks in a JBOD with SAS3 connections. The server acts as repository with 24 disks in RAID6 and 12 in RAID10. These two spaces are used in a SOBR with fulls on the RAID6 and incrementals on the RAID10. It is connected to the SAN fabric with a FC card for access to storage snapshots and has 10G ethernet for copies from other servers if needed. The server also acts as a proxy.

I have to say I couldnt be happier, we are seeing very good performance, better than I anticipated.

Although this isnt big enough for your needs there is no reason why you could add another JBOD for extra capacity. The other upside is that it is cheap! We will run Windows 2012R2 without dedup and once 2016 has been in the wild a little bit we will consider moving to this and enabling dedup to see how it helps. This kind of machine will definitely be our strategy going forward.

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by cjack03 » Sep 05, 2016 3:19 pm

p.s we had a quote for an apollo 4510 with just 36 disk but this was still twice the price of the supermicro. We are pretty much an HP shop too.

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by nmdange » Sep 06, 2016 12:40 am 1 person likes this post

cjack03 wrote:Although this isnt big enough for your needs there is no reason why you could add another JBOD for extra capacity. The other upside is that it is cheap! We will run Windows 2012R2 without dedup and once 2016 has been in the wild a little bit we will consider moving to this and enabling dedup to see how it helps. This kind of machine will definitely be our strategy going forward.
Make sure to read this thread, you probably won't even need dedup with Veeam 9.5 + REFS on 2016.
veeam-backup-replication-f2/veeam-next- ... 37231.html

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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by albertwt » Sep 06, 2016 12:45 am

That's cool if it is true :D .
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Re: Recommendations for backup storage, backup target

Post by cjack03 » Sep 06, 2016 1:55 pm 3 people like this post

I think we will probably look to stick with dedup rather than ReFS. We have experience with dedup in windows 2012 and the improvements in 2016 look really exciting. Although RefS does look fantastic i'm not sure I'd be willing to use this technology in our production environment so quickly after launch.

We will however keep a close eye on real world experiences and get a lab up and running to test when its GA.

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Re: [MERGED] Storage recommendations

Post by andyg » Nov 10, 2016 4:29 pm

igarcia1 wrote:We're going to be refreshing our storage solutions, starting with backups. We are currently using a single tier, single controller Compellent array to store backups and the plan is to merge that into our production Compellent array once we have a replacement backup system in place. Wish I could say there was a budget, but that's a long story. Short version: we have 288TB (raw), no compression or dedup beyond what Veeam provides, and spend about 0.64 per usable GB and would like to find something better.

The IT Director and I like Exagrid on paper, and I have no clue what Dell will push (I get the impression the DR4100 is going away.) I'm sure most of you have been through this already, so I hope I can save some time by getting a few recommendations on what works the best with Veeam, or some advice on what vendors or setups to avoid. I'd rather initiate contact with as few sales folks as possible. I've already heard from one vendor (who happens to be Veeam certified) and of course their advice leans heavily toward their own product. Appreciate anything you can offer.
What did you settle on as your new backup solution? Do you have a short-list of devices that look good for that sort of size?
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